트럼프 "北비핵화하면 김정은 정권 보장하겠다"..."북한은 '한국모델' 적용된다"

"김정은 정권을 보장할 것이다. 북한은 리비아 모델이 아니라 '한국모델'이 적용된다. 그가 통치할 나라는 한국처럼 매우 부유해 질 것이다."

도널드 트럼프 미국 대통령은 17일(현지시간) 김정은이 비핵화에 합의를 할 경우 김정은 정권과, 그 정권이 통치할 부유한 북한을 보장하겠다고 말했다.

트럼프 대통령은 이날 오후 백악관에서 옌스 스톨텐베르크 북대서양조약기구(NATO) 사무총장과의 회담에 앞서 약 12분간 북한에 대한 자신의 입장을 기자들에게 밝혔다.

트럼프는 북한은 리비아와는 케이스가 완전히 다르다며 "리비아와는 애초에 (안전 보장에 관한) 딜을 한적이 없다"고 강조했다.

그는 "미국은 한번도 카다피에게 안전을 보장해 줄 것이고, 군사력을 지원하겠다는 등의 얘기를 한적이 없다"며 "(그랬기에) 들어가서 초토화 시킨 것"이라고 설명했다.

하지만 트럼프는 김정은과의 딜은 다르다며 "(비핵화 합의가 성사될 경우) 김정은은 온전히 자신의 국가를 통치할 것이고, 그의 나라는 매우 부유해질 것"이라고 강조했다. (He'd be in his country. He'd be running his country. His country would be very rich.)

이어 트럼프는 한국의 산업적인 측면과 한국인들의 능력을 거론하며 "이번 북한과의 딜은 리비아 모델이 아닌 '한국모델'이 적용되는 것이라고 밝혔다. 그는 "한국인들은 근면한, 대단한 사람들"이라며 "김정은의 인민들도 (마찬가지로) 매우 근면하다"고 말했다. (His people are tremendously industrious. If you look at South Korea -- this would be, really, a South Korean model in terms of their industry, in terms of what they do. They're hardworking incredible people.)

그러나 트럼프는 카다피가 초토화되었던 점을 상기하며 "(북한과의)딜이 이루어지지 않는다면 리비아 모델이 실행될 것"이라고 경고했다. 그는 이어 "하지만 딜이 성사가 된다면 김정은은 매우 매우 행복할 것이다. 나는 진심으로 그가 행복할 것이라고 생각한다"고 말했다. (But the model, if you look at that model with Qaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don't make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong Un is going to be very, very happy. I really believe he's going to be very happy. But this is just the opposite.)

또한 "존 볼튼이 최근 한 발언도 같은 맥락"이라며 "우리는 북한이 핵무기를 가지도록 허용할 수 없다. 우리는 그럴 수 없다"고 못 박았다. (And I think when John Bolton made that statement, he was talking about if we're going to be having a problem, because we cannot let that country have nukes. We just can't do it.)

트럼프는 김정은 정권의 안전을 보장하는 것이냐는 기자의 질문에 "우리는 많은 것을 해줄 준비가 되어있고, 그도 우리에게 그렇게 해줄 것이라고 생각한다"며 "사실 회담만 잘 된다면 김정은과 잘 지낼 것 같다"고 말했다. 이어 "김정은은 매우 강력한 보호를 받게 될 것"이라고 강조했다. (We're willing to do a lot. And he's willing to, I think, do a lot also. And I think we'll actually have a good relationship, assuming we have the meeting and assuming something comes of it. And he'll get protections that will be very strong)

주한미군을 감축할 것이냐는 질문에 트럼프는 "그것에 대해서는 얘기하지 않겠다"면서도 "그는(김정은은) 아주 충분한 보호를 받게 될 것"이라고 반복했다. (Well, I'm not going to talk about that. We're going to say that he will have very adequate protection.)

트럼프는 김정은이 중국을 두번째 방문한 후 변화가 생긴 것 같다며 "김정은은 이 딜을 정말로 원했었다. 중국과 무슨 얘기를 한 것 같다. 시진핑이 그에게 영향을 끼치고 있을 가능성이 높다"고 말했다.

트럼프는 "하지만 미국과 북한은 현재 아무일도 없는 것처럼 계속해서 회담 장소 및 세부사항에 대해 논의하고 있다"며 "회담 성사 여부는 곧 알 수 있을 것"이라고 밝혔다.

김민찬 기자 mkim@pennmike.com

*다음은 트럼프 발언 전문 (총 12분)/ 주요발언 볼드체:

TRUMP: Well, nothing has changed on North Korea that we know of. We have not been told anything, and if it does, that's fine. I think we'll probably have a very successful meeting.

But we have not been told anything. We're just reading stories like you are. We've heard certain things from South Korea.

But we'll see what happens. If the meeting happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, we go on to the next step.

QUESTION: Is this just the typical thing that North Korea does? Did you expect that?

TRUMP: I really don't know, no. I want to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I think that -- I can only say are people are literally dealing with them right now in terms of making arrangements for the meeting. So that's a lot different from what you read, but oftentimes what you read if it's not fake news, it's true. So we'll see what happens.

We are dealing with them now. We may have the meeting; we may not have the meeting. If we don't have it, that will be very interesting. We'll see what happens. The border is still quite strong.

I think things changed a little bit when they met with China. They met the second time. As you know, Kim Jong Un had a second meeting with China, which was a little bit of a surprise meeting. And we have many of the Chinese here today, as you know, big delegations negotiating trade, because the United States has been ripped off for many, many years by its bad trade deals. I don't blame China; I blame our leadership of this country from the past. We have been ripped off by China. An evacuation of wealth like no country has ever seen before given to another country that's rebuilt itself based on a lot of the money they've taken out of the United States. And that's not going to happen anymore.

But there has been a big difference since they had the second meeting with President Xi. With that being said, my attitude is whatever happens happens. Either way, we're going to be in great shape.

QUESTION: Would you consider a personal outreach to Kim to get him moving towards -- keep him moving toward (inaudible)?

TRUMP: Well, we'll see what happens. Look, you have to want to do it. With deals, that's what I do, is deals. And with deals, you have to have two parties that want to do it. He absolutely wanted to do it. Perhaps he doesn't want to do it. Perhaps he spoke with China. That could be right. President Xi, a friend of mine, a great guy, but he's for China and I'm for the United States, and that's the way it is, and I suspect it's never going to change.

But I will say this, we are continuing to negotiate in terms of location, the location that's to -- where to meet, how to meet, rooms, everything else, and they've been negotiating like nothing happened. But if you read the newspapers, maybe it won't happen. I can't tell you yet. I will tell you very shortly. We're going to know very soon.

Steve?

QUESTION: What are you going to tell the Chinese (inaudible)?

TRUMP: Well, I've been telling China that we are -- you people have been covering trade, and you've been covering China, and you've been covering everything for a long time. Have you ever seen them negotiating in trade?

Nobody's even seen anybody from our country even negotiate on trade -- trade with China and with other countries, I'm not just blaming China -- China's the biggest. But trade has been a total one-way street. Right outside of this nation, you take money out like it's you -- by the bucket loads into other. Whether it's the European Union, which you know so well, whether it's Japan or South Korea or -- I could name almost every single country in the world.

We had nobody representing us. And now you have somebody that's very good at this stuff, me, representing us. And China has taken our hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the United States. And I explained to President Xi we can't do that anymore, we just can't do that anymore. It's a much different situation.

But with all the years and all the years that you covered trade and nations and wars and everything else, you've never seen a -- people come over from China to work on a trade deal.

Now, will that be successful? I tend to doubt it. The reason I doubt it is because China's become very spoiled. The European Union has become very spoiled, other countries have become very spoiled, because they always got 100 percent of whatever they wanted from the United States.

But we can't allow that to happen anymore. We're an incredible country. We have incredible potential. The potential we have is incredible.

But we lost $800 billion on trade last year, if you add it all up. Of which, China was around the $500 billion mark. So we lost $800 billion, can you believe that, is that an amazing thing to even think about? We lost $800 billion on trade -- we're not going to be doing that any longer.

QUESTION: (OFF MIKE)

TRUMP: ZTE was a company that I spoke to with President Xi. He asked me if I'd take a look at that because it was very harmful to them in terms of their jobs and probably other things. And I certainly said I would -- he asked me to do it and I would do that -- I would certainly -- out of great respect -- I like him, he like me, we have a great relationship. He asked me if I'd look at ZTE -- don't forget, it was my administration with my full knowledge that put very, very strong clamps on ZTE. It wasn't anybody else, it wasn't President Obama. It wasn't President Bush. It was me.

I put very strong clamps on ZTE. They did very bad things to our country. They did very bad things to our economy. The one thing I will say, they also buy a large portion of their parts for the phones that they make -- and they're the fourth largest company in terms of that industry -- they buy those parts from the United States. That's a lot of business.

So we have a lot of companies that won't be selling those parts. But the President of China, President Xi, asked me to look at it. I said I would look at it. But anything we do with ZTE is always -- it's just a small component of the overall deal.

I can only tell you this: We're going to come out fine with China. Hopefully China's going to be happy -- I think we will be happy. And, as the expression goes, when you're losing $500 billion a year on trade you can't lose the trade war, you've already lost it.

We've had horrible representative in this country that have allowed other countries to get away with murder. And those days are gone, those days are over.

So we just want fairness for the workers of this country and for the United States. That's what's going to happen, OK? I'll let you know about, as time goes by, we'll let you know. As of this moment everything we know -- I mean North Korea's actually talking to us about times and everything else as though nothing happened.

Will it happen? Will we be going on that very special date and can some great things happen? You know, we're going to be looking at it very soon.

Yes, Steven?

QUESTION: (OFF MIKE)

TRUMP: Yeah. Well the Libyan model isn't a model that we have at all when we're thinking of North Korea. In Libya, we decimated that country. That country was decimated. There was no deal to keep Qaddafi. The Libyan model that was mentioned was a much different deal.

This would be with Kim Jong-un something where he'd be there. He'd be in his country. He'd be running his country. His country would be very rich. His people are tremendously industrious. If you look at South Korea -- this would be, really, a South Korean model in terms of their industry, in terms of what they do. They're hardworking incredible people.

But the Libyan model was a much different model. We decimated that country. We never said to Qaddafi, oh, we're going to give you protection, we're going to give you military strength, we're going to give you all of these things; we went in and decimated him. And we did the same thing with Iraq. Now, whether or not we should have, I could tell you, I was against it from the beginning, because look what we have right now. We have spent $7 trillion -- can you believe that -- $7 trillion in the Middle East, right out the window. You might as well throw the money right out the window. And we've done a lot of infrastructure. We just had airports approved. You saw that. A lot of things are happening. But we spent $7 trillion in the Middle East, and look where we are right now. It's pretty sad.

But the model, if you look at that model with Qaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don't make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong Un is going to be very, very happy. I really believe he's going to very happy. But this is just the opposite.

And I think when John Bolton made that statement, he was talking about if we're going to be having a problem, because we cannot let that country have nukes. We just can't do it. So that's the way it's meant. It's really just the opposite. Because if you look -- again, if you look at Syria, that was a total decimation.

Yes, John?

QUESTION: Well, what security guarantees are you willing to give to (inaudible)?

TRUMP: Well, I'm willing to do -- we're willing to do a lot. And he's willing to, I think, do a lot also. And I think we'll actually have a good relationship, assuming we have the meeting and assuming something comes of it. And he'll get protections that will be very strong.

Syria never had protections. If you look at Syria -- if you look at -- or if you look anywhere around the Middle East, you look at Iraq, you look at Libya, with Libya certainly they didn't have protection; they had the exact opposite. That was absolute decimation. And that's what we planned to do, and that's what we did.

QUESTION: Reduced U.S. troop levels a possibility in South Korea?

TRUMP: Well, I'm not going to talk about that. We're going to say that he will have very adequate protection. And we'll see how it all turns out.

I think this: The best thing he could ever do is to make a deal. I have a feeling, however, that for various reasons, maybe including trade, because they've never had this problem before -- China has never had this problem with us -- it could very well be that he's influencing Kim Jong Un. We'll see what happens. Meaning the president of China, President Xi could be influencing Kim Jong Un.

But we'll see. That's just a -- look, if you remember a few weeks ago, all of a sudden out of nowhere, Kim Jong Un went to china to say hello again a second time to President Xi. I think they were dedicating an aircraft carrier, paid for largely by the United States.